Who are the True Parents?

Mappy Man asks a straight question and it deserves a straight answer. His question is

"Can you tell me something very simple Robert. Who are the True Parents?"

There are two parts of this question, one part for the Spiritual world, and another for the physical world. I will deal with the physical world first. To do this I will start with a rarity for me and directly quote some of Father's words
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"There will always be a physical representative of the True Father here on earth, from one generation to another; there will be that axis on which the earth will turn. Therefore, all of you here on earth and all the people in the generations to come will be centered upon the same axis."

Parents, Children and the World Centered Upon Oneself
June 5, 1983
Tarrytown, New York
God's Will and the World (1985), p. 649
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Let me add this is from the book of speeches Father personally proof read while in prison in the US. I was at a speech once the book was published where he stated that it contains the core of who he is and his purpose.

Now I want to point out
"There will always be a physical representative of the True Father here on earth, from one generation to another;"

To put bluntly to you Mappy Man and others, that is Hyung Jin Nim. When you speak of him, listen to him, or interact with him, it is the same as doing so with Father himself in the physical world. Now who is the one that stands as the true wife and mother to this person? It is none other than his wife Yeon Ah Nim. When you speak of her, listen to her, or interact with her it is the same as if you are interacting with the 'True Mother'.

Now to the Spiritual world. I will state it bluntly but clearly. True Father is there in spiritual world, but the position (Chair) of True Mother is vacant. The reason for that is due to the failure of Han Hak-Ja to remain a true object. Yes it is that simple.

The True Mother will be fulfilled in spirit world when it is completed here on earth. It remains to be seen who and how that shall be.

THE WORD

The bible is very metaphorical in the New Testament, even more so than the Old Testament. Yet as the ages unfold it seems that is really the best way to record timeless truths. Even from the view point of 'science and logic' the more they advance the more in alignment they become with the metaphors of the bible.

Often I was at the feet of the LSA (Father) when he would suddenly state he was not merely speaking to us present, or even the people of our generation and time, but to all of the people of the past (Spiritual world), those of the present time and age, and to the generations thousands of years from now.

The famous and often quoted bible verse of John 1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us," (KJV)

So let me put out there this
If the Word was 'made' flesh, when the flesh will cease what would remain?

To me it would be the word that would endure and be eternal. For me the Word would be the eternal 'body' of ones self. So when we read the very words of the LSA we are directly relating with his 'living flesh' in a sense. The very words that where left behind are priceless beyond measure.

So I have to ask Dan Fefferman directly, and everyone in general, should anyone be messing with the very words of the LSA? Dan stated the following recently

'My personal view is that the new version should have been published as a "second edition" or "volume 2" instead of replacing the original'

Father himself stated that there would not be denominationalism because the word (CSG) would NOT be changed (paraphrasing here). Yet we see it was touched and changed, and we see the very desire of the LSA being violated.

I started this FB group to leave the PR / Politics / PC stuff behind, so let us do so on this key of the 'WORD'. I will also make clear that anyone replying and commenting to this thread will not be suspended, blocked, or cast out by anyone other than me (Robert Pickell). So if you can trust in my integrity to have an open and frank discussion about this vital point, let us have at it. Let us also beseech our Father in heaven for his guidance on this.

TIME TO GROW UP .... what is a personal attack ???

This is one many people harp about constantly. I want to lay out that is time we all get real about this and each other.

If I call someone a Bitch, whore, pimp, or such, you are correct that is a personal attack. The question is not about the nature of it being personal, but if it is valid and proper in the context it is being used.

Jesus himself call individuals and groups vial names. Father himself called people bastards and whores. So if anyone thinks God does not use 'foul' language, you are greatly mistaken. But it is not used haphazardly, or with out clear purpose and meaning. We have all known and meet people who use foul language to shore up their ego and lack of love. This is no different than those that use 'proper' language and vocabulary to speak 'Above' to show they are superior and smart, to shore up their egos and lack of love feelings. Neither is proper in a relationship and exchange.

Now directly to the issue of personal attacks ... I hope most people coming here have some basic grounding in the DP and teachings of Rev. Moon (Father). One of the most concise points is that PEOPLE individually are conflicted beings (we have opposing desires) internally in ourselves. The world that we experience daily is a RESULT of this in every way. This is a result of the Fall of Man and the fact we inherited a NATURE (it is part of us) that is Evil (Fallen). We still retain an Original (Good) Nature as well. These are at conflict within each individual born of the Fallen lineage.

The reason I bring this up is to make the point that defeating Evil is a PERSONAL thing and responsibility. It is NOT a Collective thing. Never has been and never will be at its core. As such when confronting the fallen nature of others, it is completely proper to call it out on a personal level. Many see this as a personal attack, and I will not deny that, but it is an attack on the evil self and not done to destroy the person God created and desires to be victorious and successful. When you look at Jesus own use of this, it becomes clear.

As such I do not disallow personal attacks, actually I use them frequently, but let me make clear this. No matter what you say and use here, you are personally responsible for it. Also if you attack someone personally you will need to show some foundation as to why you make the claim you do against another.

As for those who receive 'personal' attacks, if they are based in some premise or action it is up to you, yourself to defend yourself, or if it is valid to digest it and learn from it and grow. For a personal 'attack' can show what evil you need to separate from if you are truly humble before God.

We should be big enough and mature enough in God's Love and ideal to be honest with each other and able to accept words of truth, even if they are foul and personal. Do not attempt to put God into a box that he will never fit in.

TO THE HEART OF THE QUESTIONS

I was asked to answer some things, and I queried back if the person has watched the videos since Breaking the Silence of 18 Jan 2014. He said he had, so I said I would reply to the questions. To avoid thread drift and hijacking of another persons post I am going to post his questions and then over time reply to each part. ... So with out further words here it is

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Mappy Man queried "The women Han Hak-Ja, failed to do that at the last and final stage when she had to face that choice alone with out Father there to command her obedience". If this is a truth or part of the teachings of Sanctury it is going to need a lot more substance. Do you have any idea at what level was this that the woman Hak Ja Han was at when she failed to do as stated above. Who states this exactly and when did this teaching first appear? Can it be shown or explain other than coming directly from Hyung Jin. I want to get past the opinions, theories. What truth do you have to explain such statements? Please note I am not interested in inuendo, rumour, heare say she said this he said that stories..Please show me from scripture your foundation for such statements or believe. Then explain the position of father now in his so called present single state and how that changes the engrafting process. I had heard that that woman is now the bride of the Archangel. We had been taught up to now she was perfect. Father had in fact called her the wife of God. He came down to earth for the first time as she was victorious in her unity with father and together they became Gods body. How can such a woman fall so far? For changing a song and pledge? Was it not said that nothing can separate father and mother. Not even God. How do you explain it?"

FRUITS OF GOD'S ORDERED PATRIARCHY

I would like to show directly the result of a marriage that is centered upon God's ideal in real practice. I was at the Korean weekly service today. After the service Hyung Jin Nim and his wife spent some time together very naturally and spontaneously. The King of CIG practices what he is preaching. I can personally testify to that from nearly three years of being near and around him and his wife and family.

Now I just have to ask all those opposed to what he teaches about family and spouses and the relationships and who God and Father are, just what are you opposed to in this result?

I know Jon Quinn will understand this along with his loving and supportive wife Christen Quinn.

True Love does NOT breed chaos, but order and clarity in all things. This order and clarity comes based on a heart overflowing with God's original love and desire.

LONG LIVE THE KING AND QUEEN

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ONE YEAR

18 Jan was the one year mark since the 'Breaking the Silence' Sermon by Hyung Jin Nim. It would seem good to reflect on the passing of time since then and the events that have come to be. I will keep this brief as I like most do not find long wordy SA worth reading as a general rule. So onward.

First was the exposure and depth of corruption at the very highest levels of the leadership in the FFWPU. The ongoing and systematic betrayal of the very life and words of the LSA himself by many that were the closest to him.

Second was how the Han mother was not only part of this but actually the central figure for this betrayal and desecration of the LSA and her husband. Wow, how that shocked people and many are still in denial of this even to this day.

Third is the Coronation and ongoing Kingship of the Anointed heir of True Parents, Hyung Jin Nim and his wife Yeon Ah Nim. Yes this is a direct rejection of the false claim by the Han mother that she is the subject of God's providence. You can not have two subjects in God's ideal. This has resulted in a clear and open separation (dividing) of peoples hearts and loyalties.

Fourth is the clear growth and prosperity of the Sanctuary Church under Hyung Jin Nim. People from around the world have united with the King and his Queen in their efforts to realize God's ideal here upon the earth and up hold God's very Lineage. This is in stark contrast to the FFWPU decline and chaos concerning issues of Lineage and God's ideal.

I (Robert Pickell) personally have played a role in these events, but really all I have done is testify to the Living God and his Son as my Father taught me I should do as a brother. I have been told history has been written, some of it by my very hand, but I would willing trade any and all fame for God's ideal and blessing upon my children and the Lineage of God here on earth. I have been told that 'You have to live a long time and serve the King' by many including my wife who is in the spiritual world.

There are many who have done and are doing much for the King of CIG who will never be known by the world, but rest assured that God and your Father know you and what you do each and every day. In all honesty it is those that do the will of the Father when it is not known, or for people to see, that really embrace the heart of the Parent. When you live for God and his ideal and serve and attend his people and Lineage when none know, it is only then that you and God himself will share something that is truly special.

So I conclude with this

Thank you to the many children of our Father, who through their hearts and tears have helped to bring blessing and understanding to God's ideal here on earth. Your paths have been ones of walking in the shadows of the valley of death. Making straight the way for the Lord with your very tears, sweat, and blood if need be. Your words have been spoken with the heart and passions of your Father of heaven. If others do not understand, your Father and God do, and I personally know these are the ones that carry so many crosses each and every day, so the Lord does not have too.

God bless you all and your families.

WHAT A FOOLISH WOMEN GAVE AWAY

From HDK this morning, Father's words

"God likes love. What kind of love does God like most? It is true love. But
what is true love? Where would we say true love has its root? Its root does not lie in God. This sounds strange, doesn’t it? The all-knowing and all-powerful God is the Master of true love, and yet God does not want the root of this love to begin from Him. God thinks that He will plant the root in a person who can be the object of this love. (177-269, 1988.5.20)"

So tell me people what does the fallen Han mother give away in order to be the 'subject' at this time?

Or to phrase the question another way, What is the purpose and value of a True Object (True Wife)?